Raja SAR


posted by rajapvt on Mon Jan 13, 2014 05:07 pm

#181

Sunilrai ji, RAJA SAR say, just wait and trail longs while looking the indicators. No change in view, still bullish as long as SAR says go SHORT. Cheers.

posted by sunilrai on Fri Mar 14, 2014 02:48 pm

#182

Now sir good time to go Short

posted by rajapvt on Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:09 am

#183

Yes Sunilrai, but be sure to switch position if system says to go long as per SAR rules.

posted by jutkarsh on Sun Mar 30, 2014 09:27 pm

#184

hello raja ji, do u know how to save your studies in MT4?

posted by Bhavesh on Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:06 pm

#185

from chatroom

30/03/14 10:02 PM durai: hi jutkars . in mt4 go to file and choose save .and save the file on your personal drive. thats all 

posted by jutkarsh on Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:40 am

#186

Thanks bhaveshji and durai ji. bt how to open that chart again?

posted by rajapvt on Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:44 am

#187

Get ready for the Money Management mix in RAJA SAR. Will be posting the details soon.

posted by Navaneeth on Thu Jun 12, 2014 01:08 pm

#188

:-)

posted by rajapvt on Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:34 pm

#189

RAJA SAR 2.0 with Money Management Mix. This enforce the trader to have discipline and make the trade smooth and less risk (almost zero risk to capital). This technique cover the gap down/up scenarios and range bound scenarios. No matter where market goes, trader gets money into account. Only concern for traders can be the capital requirement. Yes, trader need 3 lots of capital for trading one lot of future. But returns are assured no matter how market reacts. This technique I have seen in one of the forum and also saw in Navaneeth trades. Adding this Money Management mix safeguards the trader from risk and smooth sail during the trades. Feel free to post your questions if you have any.

posted by prg on Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:50 pm

#190

From chatroom 

Sagar: Suvam da.. navneeth bhia options ki ek strategy follow karte hai hedgin g technique

14/06/14 11:07 PM

Sagar: Wit I will copy paste

14/06/14 11:09 PM

Sagar@VIJ.. This is for your query. Pls read it slowly & understand the trades. Open the above chart & study (#89).. Let me explain. A 1} Nifty: Buy triggered @ 6780 as per SAR. (Date : 17-April-2014). Lets say I'll buy 3 lots (Just for illustration purpose). A 2} I'll hedge the Index with 6800 CE Short (May series) @ 300.. - 3 Lots.. A 3}In Index, 1 Lot I'll book @ 6830, 2nd lot @ 6880. 3rd lot when downside cross over of EMA happens - In this trade it crossed @ 6830. So Total profit in Index is 200 Points for 3 lots. {And none of 6800 CE shorts booked} B 1} Next Short sell triggered @ 6820 (Date:28-Apr-2014). I'll sell 3 lots (Just assume) & Hedge it with 6800 PE Shorts (Of course may series) @ 240 {Again 3 Lots}. B 2} So now I have 3 lots Index shorts, 3 Lots 6800 CE shorts, 3 lots 6800 PE shorts. B 3} 1 Lot I'll book @ 6770, 2nd lot I book at 6720. 3rd lot I'll book when EMA's enter buy mode. In this trade it happened at 6750 on May 9th. So total profit will be 220 Points in Index.
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contd again...

Jadhav: Raja bhai, 7300 CE and PE (short) , in the thread chart , what to do with them

15/06/14 12:05 PM

rajapvt: Jadhav bhai, have you read SAR concept?

15/06/14 12:06 PM

mkdeep: raja sar in sell mood?

15/06/14 12:06 PM

Jadhav: I just know, cross over entry for long or short

15/06/14 12:06 PM

rajapvt: yes MK,

15/06/14 12:07 PM

Jadhav: I hv watched ur dvd.....chennai

15/06/14 12:07 PM

rajapvt: in that trader go naked long or short when signal comes and then if there is a gap down or gap up, traders can go panic

15/06/14 12:07 PM

Jadhav: yes

15/06/14 12:07 PM

rajapvt: to avoid that the Money Management mix says, as soon as trader get short signal (like yesterday), they can short one lot of immediate strike price put (whichever have higher premium)

15/06/14 12:08 PM

rajapvt: so when market go gaps up, the sold put give safety measure and not much M2M will go

15/06/14 12:08 PM

Jadhav: k

15/06/14 12:08 PM

rajapvt: now imagine, market gaps up on Monday and those SAR traders who gone naked short might have to pay M2M to broker

15/06/14 12:08 PM

rajapvt: that can be avoided

15/06/14 12:09 PM

Jadhav: yes

15/06/14 12:09 PM

rajapvt: and when SAR gives a buy signal, then trader can go long by closing short in future and then sell a call that has higher premium

15/06/14 12:09 PM

rajapvt: that way the previous sold put and call along with Future will be in trader account

15/06/14 12:09 PM

rajapvt: is that clearing your doubt?

15/06/14 12:12 PM

Jadhav: so the put and calls (shorted) should also wind up na

15/06/14 12:12 PM

Jadhav: at cross over

15/06/14 12:12 PM

lokebiya: rajapvt sir

15/06/14 12:12 PM

lokebiya: Jadhav bhai Gud afternoon

15/06/14 12:13 PM

Jadhav: vga loke bhai

15/06/14 12:13 PM

lokebiya: Raja sir i need ur help

15/06/14 12:14 PM

rajapvt: no Jadhav bhai, we will go with three positions

15/06/14 12:14 PM

rajapvt: this may reduce some profits but it gives all premium into your account

15/06/14 12:14 PM

rajapvt: yes lokebiya, what Can I do?

15/06/14 12:14 PM

Jadhav: k

15/06/14 12:14 PM

mkdeep: why sell ce when u get buy signal raja

15/06/14 12:15 PM

lokebiya: raja sir can u teach me how to calculate SAR in excell

15/06/14 12:15 PM

rajapvt: mk: it is to hedge and gain the premium, we buy future and also sell the call to gain all the premium in it

15/06/14 12:15 PM

mkdeep: r u hedgeing u r trade

15/06/14 12:15 PM

rajapvt: yes mk, this safegaurd the new traders with money, risk, trade mix concept

15/06/14 12:15 PM

Jadhav: for avoiding panic , if gap up or down

15/06/14 12:16 PM

rajapvt: objective is to gain the safe the trader from the panic

15/06/14 12:16 PM

rajapvt: correct Jadhav

15/06/14 12:16 PM

Jadhav: k

15/06/14 12:16 PM

rajapvt: not only that, when market moves in sideways, we do not loose since we gain from the options premium

15/06/14 12:16 PM

Jadhav: :)

15/06/14 12:16 PM

mkdeep: is this for btst .. 1 day or positional ?

15/06/14 12:16 PM

rajapvt: now this can be applied to any scrip, not just Nifty
 

posted by rajapvt on Sun Jun 15, 2014 03:56 pm

#191

rajjain: We only shift future position when SAR triggers and options position remain till the premium is zero.

posted by bpsingh on Sun Jun 15, 2014 08:56 pm

#192

rajapvt: if we sell atm option, the gain in NF will be offset by matching loss in sold atm option, specially in case of trending market. Will it not be better, as a rule, to buy otm option. For example, the short trade triggered on 13.6.2014 at 7609. If I am initiating trade for the first time i should short NF at 7609. As per your strategy we should sell 7600p at the same time. If market keeps trending to downside till June expiry, there will hardly be any net gain as gain in NF will be offset by loss in sold put.  Instead of selling 7600p, will it not be better to buy 7700c or 7800c for hedging the risk. Of course the prem. will be lost, but position is safe. In case market whipsaws loss will be a little higher. Your thoughts on downside of selling options in this strategy.

posted by rajapvt on Sun Jun 15, 2014 09:58 pm

#193


bpsingh ji, this will happen first time. then onwards in second trade you will have more gains. I never prefer buying options after learning the hard lessons in the market. I know the option writers big game. If the short trade initiated on Friday @7609, sell the highest premium put option (per say 7600 PE @80). For the first trade your gains in NF will be offset by NF put option. But once the second SAR trade starts, you will understand the gains. Just do a paper trade on this for now and understand the logic. Trader RM, MM, TM taken care and trader can sleep well with trade position carrying overnight. This Friday downmove is booked all intraday as per my understanding. I have resumed after 2 months break and little delayed in catching up the trend.  But let's see how the market say about this going forward. There is one gap left in the top which might be filled and uptrend resumes. Since I am trend follower, I am not supposed to expect market moves. Even in worst case also (if the downtrend continue), trader will still be in gain of the premium (80 points) of the option, which might come around 6% of returns on investment in 15 days trade. Will keep posted the RAJA SAR trades in the thread as soon as I get ample time.
 

posted by rajapvt on Tue Jun 17, 2014 04:46 pm

#194

As mentioned, Friday downmove is over and now the reversal started and might have triggered the SAR longs. Those who have taken the SAR short @7609 and shorted PE @80 should have shifted their future shorts to longs and highest premium CE might have shorted. Now the premium game will start again.

posted by rajapvt on Tue Jun 17, 2014 04:48 pm

#195

As mentioned in @195 post, the gap got filled and market resumed uptrend. Let's hold the SAR trades who is following SAR levels.

posted by rajapvt on Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:29 pm

#196

Those who have traded based on the money management mix will understand the profits on premium in this kind of sideways movement in market.

posted by vij on Sun Jun 22, 2014 09:01 pm

#197

Rajapvt brother

It requires the kind and helpful heart and intention to consistently answer all the queries and clearing the confusions, without any gain in return. Im so glad to come across Np and GR8 people like u, Navaneet and so many other NP members. God Bless

posted by vij on Sun Jun 22, 2014 09:01 pm

#198

Thanx

posted by sunilrai on Sun Jun 22, 2014 09:50 pm

#199

Raja sir  this type of strategies can kill the soul of SAR system , because i think any type of SAR system give two or three times give good profit which covers all draw downs of previous move , in this strategy we consider & limited profit up to eat premium only  

posted by rajapvt on Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:10 pm

#200

Sunirai ji, when trending moves comes, we gain the future and option premium both and not just the premium. This helps in sideways, gaps scenarios. Think about this strategy again.



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