Raja SAR

posted by jutkarsh on Mon Dec 02, 2013 02:32 pm


@raja sir, went through this thread. was very informative and thanks for this approach/strategy.

whats nifty according to this?

posted by jutkarsh on Mon Dec 02, 2013 02:34 pm


as per the chart RSI and Stochastic crossed above 50 so now we have to wait for EMA cross over?

also, i'm using MA instead of EMA in my charts.

kindly guide.

Many thanks :)

posted by rajapvt on Mon Dec 02, 2013 02:41 pm


EMA is considered for smoothed price action purpose. Yes, as per guidelines do follow the levels along with EMA Crossover.

posted by jutkarsh on Mon Dec 02, 2013 02:50 pm


could you please post your today's EOD chart with SAR after market hours?

posted by rajapvt on Mon Dec 02, 2013 02:59 pm


posted by jutkarsh on Mon Dec 02, 2013 04:11 pm


EOD chart @raja sir. like you explained in previous example. thanks

posted by rajapvt on Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:29 am


jutkarsh: Just posting here as well to re-iterate. Nifty works better in 30 min t/f using this system. Timeframe should finetune based on volatility in the scrip. Higher volatility use higher time frame. Day time frame for Nifty gives less profits, less whipsaws using this system. Do your back testing before you trade using this system.

posted by rajapvt on Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:19 am


Today one of the NPian naval raised one interesting question. Question is for intraday Nifty chart from yahoo showing short, but actually it was not as per SAR trading system.

Reason being for computing the RSI (14) or STOCHA (40,0,0) (as per SAR settings), chart requires the data for RSI = 14 * 5 = 70 minutes and STOCHA = 40 * 5 = 200 minutes data minimum in chart. So for using SAR during intraday charts (trader trades on 5 min t/f), chart should have atleast 200 minutes data prior to applying the SAR system. This calculation is based on trader is going to use SAR on 5 minute chart. If trader use 15 minute chart, then change the calculations accordingly. 

However as mentioned in prior in this thread, SAR for Nifty is best suited in 30 min t/f (ROI best) and other timeframe the ROI is less.

posted by satyajit on Fri Dec 27, 2013 02:55 pm


Hello Raja,

I checked ur SAR trading system it seems good for trading in nifty positional , so my question is, can it applied to Bank Nifty or other stocks ?

posted by rajapvt on Fri Dec 27, 2013 06:18 pm


Yes satyajit, only difference is you should change timeframe based on the volatility. Select a stock and select the timeframe that gives you best ROI and less whipsaws. Use the same timeframe for that stock and use it. Reason for this change is each stock is unique in it's volatility and movement.

posted by sunilrai on Mon Dec 30, 2013 08:18 pm


Raja sir kindly check ,if last time SAR given sell we get position or wait next day

posted by rajapvt on Mon Dec 30, 2013 08:43 pm


Sunilrai: Yes only after confirmation (next candle), also do remember that if SAR triggers long again, then you should be able to switch your position.

posted by rajapvt on Tue Dec 31, 2013 08:00 pm

Sunilrai: Hope you got the answer after today morning opening candle. It maintained long as per SAR and no short is confirmed. Also from my side, I go short only if NF break 6322 (valid as per today EOD hourly chart, will post in NP chat window if a short signals in Nifty). I hope you are not in short.

Last night was discussing with Sanjay ji and gagan ji, mentioning about today's gap up can trigger ZLR in woodies and it did as predicted.

Here is the chat archive (Bhavesh ji shared)
12/30/13 20:01  rajapvt  sanjay ji, if gap up means, woodies gives ZLR :D
12/30/13 20:01  srikar  auro pharma trisul sell on rise
12/30/13 20:02  srikar  ge raja ji
12/30/13 20:02  ggnmoga  raja bhai ge
12/30/13 20:02  rajapvt  GE ggn bhai, srikar ji, sanjay ji
12/30/13 20:02  sanjay  ge raja ZLB
12/30/13 20:02  rajapvt  gap down means ZLB, gap up means ZLR
12/30/13 20:02  sanjay  didnt get u?
12/30/13 20:03  rajapvt  woodies showing almost at zero line, if gap up means, line goes up and it becomes ZLR
12/30/13 20:03  sanjay  tomo if gap up then zlb on 15 min tf
12/30/13 20:03  rajapvt  right?
12/30/13 20:03  rajapvt  :( how ZLB yaar
12/30/13 20:03  sanjay  ok on hrly
12/30/13 20:04  rajapvt  hmmm

posted by sunilrai on Thu Jan 02, 2014 04:33 pm


yes raja rar i am not short at that time & long on 31 dec morning , as per sar now chart give sell before this i put s/l at ur 34 ema at 6368 but market is fast dn side s/l hit at 6366 but i am happy don't get loss , now i am in short side but 34ema s/l 6301 differance is too much what can i do

posted by rajapvt on Thu Jan 02, 2014 05:38 pm


Sunil rai: If you see the stocha reached to zero almost and RSI nearing to oversold condition. I prefer to close the shorts if taken at crossover and there is a possibility of 40 to 60 point bounce from here. Let's wait for next signal. I know controlling the emotions is not easy, but wait for next signal.

posted by sunilrai on Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:16 pm


thanks sir for guide me , now one problem arises in front of me regarding money mngmt , i get now totally 180 points gain but 25% of this gain nearly 2209/- gone in paid to brokg. Did u suggest i change my broker or brokrage plan

posted by rajapvt on Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:34 pm


sunilrai: 25% of the amount brokerage means really high. Please check for other brokerage house to get more benefits.

posted by sunilrai on Mon Jan 06, 2014 05:20 pm


As per system this is best but problem is i trade only one lot which is not suits so i used wcci & 20 sma (high & Low)SAR, now i exit as per wcci enter short when wcci ZLR is there is it right way or do this system with two lots minimum .As per me next short nifty at 6222 to 6244 if SAR not give BUY sig 

posted by rajapvt on Mon Jan 06, 2014 07:24 pm


Sunilrai, you can also trade with one lot it is not at all a problem. Let it give a SAR buy or check the indicator related rules in the thread to initiate the longs (if any rule says so).

posted by sunilrai on Mon Jan 13, 2014 04:11 pm


YA SAR this is POWER of UR SAR Thaks , some more if i add it with wcci in which trend line cannot break till can nifty hit high as per previous shown trend line, now stocha is 98.11, as per proportion of previous TL nifty hit 6300 then wcci hooks from 200 i think ,but it take some time because stocha level ,what u suggestion sir